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BMUG Meeting minutes 10/1/87

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BMUG Meeting minutes 10/1/87

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BMUG Meeting 10/1/87

Announcements

Wanted:

Macintosh power users, systems & application programmers, and Mac Hackers familiar with the toolbox wanted for jobs.

• Printers, plotters, LaserWriters

• Network experience

• FAX & Modem experience

• Artist who also programs or uses the Mac.

Up to $300 referral bonus – tell your friends!

Mary Stevens 829-9700

Technical Programmer

So What’s New?

Ann Arbor says will ship FullWrite Pro next week

On CIS, Phil Lipetz says 2-3 weeks

Paul Hoffman, author, says it may have problems similar to Word 3.0.

Q: Which is better: earlier or bug-free-ier?

A: Later

A: FullPaint was released early with bugs, and then updated twice.

A: People pre-paid received a letter promising 2 rather than one update.

A: Ann Arbor has a good rep, but rumors persist of buyout upon FullWrite release.

A: FullCalc, an Excel-killer is on the back burner?

A: QuicKeys shipped today. Available soon at commercial outlets.

Memory

Explanation: These are Single Inline Memory Modules, the basic components of memory and upgrades in Mac plusses and above.

A: The Chip Merchant does ship memory chips quick.

A: 1 Megabit SIMMs ramping up in Korea, Japan. Market flooded soon (2-4 weeks)? Apple dropped their prices, and has them in stock.

SIMMs are VERY vulnerable to static electricity, and installing them in an SE or plus requires clipping an extra resistor. It is labelled “256K 1-Row” (R35 on SE?) Cut it close to the board, and only your technician will know for sure. new memory goes UNDERNEATH if you are going to 2.5 megs. SE can use -15’s.

Mac II speed issues: related to cost. 100 ns, 120 ns, 150 ns. Apple’s specs say 120, but 150’s sometimes work.

Q: Why does 2 meg + 1 meg = 2.5 megs?

A: 256K chips replaced – only half of old useable.

Q: Mac II slot-filling?

A: 4 256K SIMM’s or 8 256K SIMM’s or 4 1 meg SIMM’s and 4 and 4.

Q: Is parity used?

A: No.

Q: 1 meg Apple upgrade for Mac II usable on plus?

A: Buy the 120 ns, 2 meg SIMMs…

A: 1 meg SIMMs draw much less power than the 256K SIMMs.

A: Cody’s has lots of Danny Goodman’s “Complete HyperCard Handbook” Useful as a doorstop and a good reference.

Dealers

Whole Earth Access is now an Apple dealer. There is now an authorized Apple dealer in Berkeley! They were a dealer in ‘84, but gave up on Apple, after deciding that the Mac was a dead machine. They’ve been trying for the last year-and-a-half. Likewise for Sears Business Centers.

Q: Good warranty service?

A: BusinessLand of Oakland, ComputerLand of Albany.

A: Ask if they have your part in stock.

A: ComputerLand of Albany has twice taken twice as long as they estimated.

All aboard the Desktop Bus!

Q: What’s ADB?

A: “Apple Desktop Bus”

It is the connector system used in all of Apple’s machines announced in the last year. 4-pin, friction-fit connector for keyboards, mice, and the like.

Q: Any way to make an SE use a Mac+ keyboard?

A: No.

Q: Does anyone have the Kensington ADB TurboMouse?

A: Yes, ComputerWare does. It is too high for the new keyboard. Abaton’s is curved appropriately for the standard keyboard.

Q: Is A+ mouse available in ADB rev?

A:

A: It is likely that the Mac+ will be discontinued in January.

It costs more to make and has less official expandability than the SE, as well as less ROM (128K), as well as the 512e upgrade, and perhaps the Mac+ board upgrade. The SE will be the bottom-of-the-line, and perhaps introduce something above it.

A: Perhaps ISM chips will be out then.

Integrated Sanders Machine (versus the current disk controller, the Integrated Woz Machine)

Will allow read/write of IBM 3.5” disks

Perhaps will allow 1.6 meg 3.5” floppies?

A: Perhaps an intermediate machine between the SE and the II will be out then. “3-piece SE” or “Mac II jr.”

NuBus?

fewer slots?

A: Rumor in BCS’s “Active Window” magazine of moderate-price upgrades for SE owners: new fan, analog board to solve problems.

A: Think was bought by Symantec.

Sculley was at the announcement.

Symantec already bought LVT.

Q: Has anyone tried ComputerWare’s fan swap?

A: $99 installed.

Q: Does anyone use the Infinity drives from PeripheralLand?

A: (no answer)

A: For sale: miscellaneous stuff, up front, at the end of the meeting.

Q: Where to get a SCSI extender?

A: Most local stores: ComputerWare, M.A.C., MacOrchard, CJS, Software for Less, etc.

A: Approx $50.

A: Watch out for data loss when running that distance.

A: One person has had no problem.

A: 15’ – no problem.

Q: Connecting macs to LQP’s?

A: Anyone have specific experience with a successful and easy methodology?

A: Orange Micro just announced $99 software for any printer with the Mac.

A: MacEnhancer, Granny-Smith connection, etc: disappointing.

A: Most just support text-only, draft printing.

A: MS-Word supports many serial printers.

A: Look in the back of Byte magazine for various converters.

A: Atari Joystick extension cables work well – see the Fall 1984 BMUG Newsletter or any of the 3 following that!

Q: Anything being done with voice recognition?

A: It is technically difficult and is best done in hardware, experience seems to indicate. The Kurzweil recognizes 5K words, the one demo’ed at BMUG early this year handles 0.2K.

A: Limited voice pattern ID is possible using cheap Mac hardware

A: IDD announced Mac II-compatible version of MacDraft. Version 1.2b. Upgrade $25.

Q: Accelerator cards?

A: Read today’s issue of “Macintosh Today” – concentrates on SE upgrades.

A: They are very similar, but each has trade-offs.

A: Look at perceived speed of screen redraw versus actual speed-up.

A: Job listings are now available on the ring-clipboard at the front of the room, by the Mac.

BMUG Meeting minutes 9/24/87

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[long discussion about memory upgrades, accelerators, hard drive interfaces, and the like]

Announcements

Q: Why is there no real Mac clone?
     A: Copyright Law in US is better than Patent Law.
Q: What about Magic SAC™ (Atari clone)
     A: It needs Mac ROMs, old revisions

Q: What’s up with the BBS?
     A: It is now running Opus on a PC clone.
     We exchange Mac messages on EchoMac with about 50 BBS’s around the world: PoloNet, MacQueue (661-7374), Macintosh Tribune (923-1235).

Q: How soon do BMUG meeting minutes get posted?
     A: Right now, they don’t, much. Any volunteers?
Q: How about job listings?
     A: Ditto

Telecom SIG: Every other Wednesday, 8 PM, BMUG office

New HyperCard Stacks:
At first, we haven’t been filtering stacks. At least half the stacks on any BMUG disk are solid. Most stacks are for “educational” purposes.

Q: Is HyperCard like BASIC?
     A: Yes, in terms of its innovation and what people are doing with it. It imposes the Mac user interface and violates it in some ways. People are trying to make it like the Mac, but some watn to make it a different thing, with its own benefits. More like the Mac=> computers analogy
Q: I really mean “Is it programming for non-programmers?”
     A: Yes and no.
     A: It is a good environment for learning to program.
     A: It allows a lot more flexibility from the user point-of-view, especially in the interface.
     A: Redefine “programming” – communal applications… a tool for creativity with more flexibility.

We’re seeing trade-offs in terms of ease of use versus size of program… but this makes more possible.

[BMUG’s HyperCard SIG meets every other Monday at 6 PM. It will concentrate on programming.

Q: Is anybody doing anything in 4th Dimension?
A: Writing an ordering system.
A: Messing Around
A: ACIUS has a list of developers – about 200 in US
Q: Omnis 3?
A:

(some discussion of 4th Dimension and ACIUS news and philosophies)

Laurent Ribardiére, the programmer, is a very interesting character. “No line in the program is documented”? Written as one large piece of code, not broken down into units. Scott Knaster left to go back to Apple, in a different role than before he did Acius tech support.

Dbase Mac: slow as a dog, although it is released.
4d: appears excellent, resembles HyperCard in many ways. They were both written by one person rather than a committee.

Database market projected to be big by 1990.

ªHeizer software… stack exchange – like Excellent exchange. He will sell low-cost non-PD stacks that are really excellent. in Pleasant Hill. We’ve got flyers in the office. 943-7667.

BMUG has 11 Stack disks.
$3/ea.

MacToberFest
     come & show stuff! See the list for needed topics in particular.
     Thursday, October 22, Pauley ballroom.
     lots of fun.
     MazeWars & Strategic Conquest tournaments

ARTICLES WANTED FOR THE BMUG NEWSLETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     deadline: MacToberFest
     topics: what would you want to read?
     what you hate, love, use, how you use it, how to do something, updates or extensions of old information.

Dbase Mac is shipping!

SEF HyperCard conference in November

Software Entrepreneurs’ Forum (SEF)

Hypercard/Stackware Programmer’s Seminar

Saturday November 21, 1987. Location, to be announced, but probably south bay. Price to be announced, but probably $95 for SEF members, more for non-members.

The current tentative list of topics include:

The HyperTalk Environment-a technical introduction
Command & Function Secrets
HyperCard Programming Strategies
Nuts-and-bolts Stackware Implement, incl. known bugs, etc
External HyperCard Resources
Sales/Marketing/Distribution
Source Protection
Data Transfer from other sources.
Communications

Danny Goodman, Author of the 700 page_The Complete Hypercard Handbook_ has signed on as a speaker. Selecting the participants in each panel has not been completed, but we have strong interest from a number of other speakers.
Additional suggestions are welcome.

Software Entrepreneurs’ Forum is a non-profit group of over 300 people, mostly programmers, who have formed sort of a guild to help one another develop and market software products. Our organization was founded in ’83. Each month we have four separate meetings: a general dinner meeting, an IBM SIG meeting, a Marketing SIG and MAC-SEF, the Macintosh programmers SIG. This month’s MAC SEF speaker was Bill Campbell of Claris. This month’s general meeting speaker was Rob Campbell of Forethought (now MicroSoft); past speakers include Andy Hertzfeld, Jean Louis Gassee, Phillippe Kahn and many others.

For more information, contact Ed Niehaus, (415)626-0651, or Reay Dick, (408)3654851 or Michael Odawa, 415-381-2650.

Takeovers

     VersaCad was taken over by Pr1me computer
     SofStyle taken over by Phoenix Technologies

printer drivers and PostScript clones & hardware…

BMUG Meeting minutes – 09/17/87

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  • BMUG Meeting minutes – Thursday, 09/17/87
    • Unofficial minutes/notes for the regular weekly BMUG meeting.
    • Opinions stated are not necessarily mine, BMUG’s or anybody’s in particular.
    • Call (415) 849-9114 for more information on BMUG meetings.
    • Copyright (c) 1987, BMUG, Inc.
    • Bill Atkinson on Computer Show on TV last Tues
      • someone is working on MacPaint II. He isn’t.
      • 10 people in the audience saw it.
      • Ch 32, Computer Chronicles at same time
      • Ch 26, every Tuesday nite at 7 PM
    • [ long discussion about memory upgrades, accelerators, hard drive interfaces, and the like ]
      • Mac II memory and SIMM prices discussion
        • 3rd Coast computing $999/4 megs (512) 472-6278
        • Apple’s new dev price <$900/4 megs
    • Announcements
      • Pascal programmers wanted, familiar with print manager, 224-9130
      • Apple is looking for
        • 1 Macintosh Product Mgr
        • 1 A/UX Project Manager
        • 2 System Software Project Managers
        • Applicants must have 3-4 years experience on the Mac, knowledge of Systems Software and the ability to handle high visibility, high responsibility positions. Salaries in the mid-60K, with a quarterly bonus of 10-14%, and full Apple benefits.
        • (408) 727-4717 – Kate Sullivan (paid recruiter)
      • Needed: Mac programmer: user-support & low-level business analysis. Two years MIS environment. San Jose – Peninsula – $30K – Sandra 454-5321
      • Steve Maller – training support department at Apple is always looking for contract Tech Writers with good pay, 1-6 months, work at home but visit Apple 1-2x/wk. Apple II & classroom networks, DT Pub, Mac II technical & service issues. (408) 996-1010
      • Apple Tech Support has tripled their budget for the next fiscal year – perhaps will hire more
      • U of Mo needs someone to do Mac graphics – see desk outside
      • Jim Ensign – JAM Technologies – Physician Practice program for the Mac – Mac User physicians sought for beta test sites. See him after the meeting or call 442-0795.
      • HyperCard – unopened – for sale – $52.45 (list) – SOLD
      • FullWrite Pro is almost shipping
      • WordPerfect will be at the BMUG meeting 10/29/87
      • MacWrite, MacDraw, MacProject, MacTerminal upgrades are available at Apple dealers – bring your original disk.
      • Red Ryder 10.0
        • is shipping
        • procedures are much faster
        • mostly similar to 9.4., but menus are more confusing
        • and more features are added. Better compatibility with MultiFinder, etc.
      • MacPascal
        • upgrades available to 2.1 for free
      • LightSpeed Pascal
        • upgrades available on networks like Delphi
      • Turbo Pascal
        • talk to David InterSimone at Borland for a Mac II-compatible rev
      • System upgrades
        • free at dealers or $4 from BMUG
        • only use if you have at least 1 megabyte and are having trouble with old systems and you’re not tight on space.
        • 5.3/3.2 are good for the 512e
        • use the Installer to avoid copying more than you need and to keep from thrashing your FKEYs, DA’s and fonts
      • MPW 2.0 upgrade [Macintosh Programmers Workshop]
        • works on the Mac II
        • many other differences – Commando visual interface
        • takes up a lot more memory – may have trouble on the plus without Hard disk
        • distributed by Apple Programmers Development Association
        • usually recommended for professional development
        • Dan Cochran announced at MacWorld that a source-level debugger in MPW may be available by the end of the year
        • MacApp, under MPW, allows flatter learning curve and better compatibility than other development.
        • good way to learn Assembly Language – modular environment
        • [ 10 minute debate on the topic ]
      • Mac programmer wanted to write Excel macros
        • EDP Temps (Linda)
        • 901 Sneath Ln, Suite 125
        • San Bruno, CA 94066
        • (415) 952-5010
      • [ Mac II section of the meeting]
      • choke your communications program if the modem doesn’t wake up properly
      • choke your communications program author if the program doesn’t work at all
      • ImageWriter II problems? Call your dealer.
        • use friction feed or single sheet feeder rather than tractor feed.
      • LaserWriter Plus upgraded
        • #47 should be stamped on outside of box (LW ROM version)
        • $350 – MUCH faster (50% bitmaps)
        • see MacUser comparison to QMS
        • especially in network environment
      • Programming languages for non-developers
        • HyperCard
        • Beginning programmers group for C programmers?
        • meet at the front of the room after the meeting.
      • Q: General ledger accounting programming for non-profit?
        • A: Insight is expensive ($2500 for all modules) but best.
        • Migent in-house accountant is also available, but the MS-DOS version has a buggy reputation. 1.5 $ & cents will soon be available.
        • A: Jeff Walker, leader of the Beginners SE SIG reports “Accountants, Inc.” is useful. It is available at M.A.C.
      • Q: Upgrade options: Levco MonsterMac vs. SuperMac Enhance for 512e?
        • A: LevCo MonsterMac $645 is more expensive but more reliable
        • A: Sell & buy
        • A: MacDoctor upgrade has power-saver circuitry keeps things cool & doesn’t physically conflict. It doesn’t require a fan
        • A: Oh yes it does.
        • A: but they sell it there.
        • A: Maybe they reroute it or something
        • Q: Is the MacDoctor upgrade reversible?
          • A: No, it is major surgery.
          • A: it does allow plug-ins for large-memory upgrades
          • A: 512 => 2 megs at M.A.C. for $450, if they ever get their Does in.
      • MacToberFest
        • come & show stuff! See the list for needed topics in particular.
        • Thursday, October 22, Pauley ballroom.
        • lots of fun.
        • MazeWars & Strategic Conquest tournaments
      • ARTICLES WANTED FOR THE BMUG NEWSLETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        • deadline: MacToberFest
        • topics: what would you want to read?
        • what you hate, love, use, how you use it, how to do something, updates or extensions of old information.
      • Dbase Mac is shipping!
      • Raffle prizes tonight
        • Parameter Manager Plus courtesy of Rebus
        • FUJI disks courtesy of MacOrchard
        • Mac II poster courtesy of MacWorld
      • Speakers tonight
        • Parameter Manager Plus – Rebus
        • Coral / Franze – Allegro Common Lisp
      • SEF HyperCard conference in November
        • Software Entrepreneurs’ Forum (SEF)
      • Hypercard/Stackware Programmer’s Seminar
        • Saturday November 21, 1987. Location, to be announced, but probably south bay. Price to be announced, but probably $95 for SEF members, more for non-members.
        • The current tentative list of topics include:
          • The HyperTalk Environment-a technical introduction
          • Command & Function Secrets
          • HyperCard Programming Strategies
          • Nuts-and-bolts Stackware Implement, incl. known bugs, etc
          • External HyperCard Resources
          • Sales/Marketing/Distribution
          • Source Protection
          • Data Transfer from other sources.
          • Communications
        • Danny Goodman, Author of the 700 page _The Complete Hypercard Handbook_ has signed on as a speaker. Selecting the participants in each panel has not been completed, but we have strong interest from a number of other speakers.
        • Additional suggestions are welcome.
        • Software Entrepreneurs’ Forum is a non-profit group of over 300 people, mostly programmers, who have formed sort of a guild to help one another develop and market software products. Our organization was founded in ’83. Each month we have four separate meetings: a general dinner meeting, an IBM SIG meeting, a Marketing SIG and MAC-SEF, the Macintosh programmers SIG. This month’s MAC SEF speaker was Bill Campbell of Claris. This month’s general meeting speaker was Rob Campbell of Forethought (now MicroSoft); past speakers include Andy Hertzfeld, Jean Louis Gassee, Phillippe Kahn and many others.
        • For more information, contact Ed Niehaus, (415)626-0651, or Reay Dick, (408)3654851 or Michael Odawa, 415-381-2650.
    • Takeovers
      • VersaCad was taken over by Pr1me computer
      • SofStyle taken over by Phoenix Technologies
        • printer drivers and PostScript clones & hardware…

BMUG Meeting minutes – 09/10/87

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BMUG Meeting minutes – 09/10/87

Acta document
  • BMUG Meeting 9/10/87
  • Unofficial minutes/notes for the regular weekly BMUG meeting.

    Opinions stated are not necessarily mine, BMUG’s or anybody’s in particular.
    Call (415) 849-9114 for more information on BMUG meetings.
    Copyright (c) 1987, BMUG, Inc.

    Bill Atkinson on Computer Show on TV next Tues

    Computer centre on Franklin in Oakland – Apple Dealer
    1924 Franklin

    MacCharlie / DaynaFile – often not as good as getting a PC clone

    Stock Tips

    Q: Experience with DASCH External RAMdisk?
    A: Not recommended. Add internal RAM or external SCSI drive.

    Q: 3 floppy drives (or more) on an SE?
    A: You’ve gotta rewrite the system software and hardware to go beyond 3, up to 16.

    Q: Most recent MazZap?
    A: 5.0.
    A: They just announced the update from 4.54

    Q: Is there a program to take advantage of the function keys on the Apple Distended Keyboard?
    A: Yes, QuickKeys™, from CE Software, $95. Out next week.

    Q: Can you hook 2 Mac’s together with SCSI?
    A: Yes, IF you can change the SCSI address of the MAC. Good luck!
    Talk to APDA and NCR for technical information.

    Q: Any Mac II’s broke?
    A: Yes, and no dealers have any parts. Scholar’s Workstation has 2 motherboards in stock.

    Q: Where’s best buy on SIMM chips?
    A: Dove is backordered 3 weeks. M.A.C. has some in stock: $70/SIMM for Mac II; backordered on SE & Plus. There will be a squeeze on ’em soon.
    A: 150 ñs chip won’t work on the Mac II. 511002’s will work on the Plus.
    Q: Where to sell chips AFTER upgrade (256K SIMMs, 150 ñs)?
    A: Good luck!
    Q: Will 100’s work?
    A: Yes, anywhere, if they fit.
    A: 1 meg parts are 10 times as expensive as 256K parts.

    Q: What printers besides ImageWriter II work on SE?
    A: None besides LaserWriter work well. ImageWriter LQ looks very nice; who knows when it will be out.
    A: Panasonic 1080 imitates the IW I perfectly but is very slow and produces a slightly smaller image
    A: Toshiba 341 with ToshStart from SofStyle works but is slow except on draft.
    A: Nearly anything with a serial port will work in draft mode only.
    A: HyperCard may not work except on ImageWriter or LaserWriter

    Q: What’s a good laser price?
    A: 10 cents a page or less, $5/hr or less.
    A: There’s lots of competition among local places.

    Q: HyperCard with MacServe?
    A: Make sure there’s enough memory

    Q: HyperCard on networks?
    A: It should. Remember that all stacks are opened Read/Write, always.
    [ long discussion about memory upgrades, accelerators, hard drive interfaces, and the like ]

    A: A few SuperMac technical support people left. A couple went ot work for Jasmine.

    Q: Some sort of BMUG member discount on Cirrus drives?
    A: Nobody’s heard.

    Q: Has anybody used the new CMS drives? Special track-caching technology makes ‘em fast? Does it interfere with operation?
    A: They claim to do more error-checking than other drives. “The fastest 80-meg drive for the Mac”

    A: Douglas Electronics selling Avatex 2400 modems for $240. Fully Hayes-compatible.

    Q: Problems with Stepping Out w/New Sys/F shutdown?
    A: Yes, there are. Try Berkeley Systems Design.
    A: Yes, an upgrade is available
    A: Stepping Out gives you a software large-screen to scroll on. Very helpful in graphics and DT Pub.

    Q: New Laser Prep with MultiFinder?
    A: Yes, but you can use the old or new ones with different ones.
    A: Yes, along with lots of other goodies.
    A: It wants 2-4 megabytes. It will work on 1 megabyte, but 1.5 applications are required.
    A: It should be available here, according to MacWeek.

    Q: Mac II monitors?
    A: Sony is much like Apple. PCPC is dimmer.